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title: 問5：尊者，例如，僅僅通過觀照「走」為走這樣世俗的方法，能夠體驗究竟法嗎?
description: "Q5: Venerable Sir, is it possible to experience phenomena in an ultimate sense by merely observing「going,」 for example, "
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Q5: Venerable Sir, is it possible to experience phenomena in an ultimate sense by merely observing「going,」 for example, as going in a conceptual way?

問5：尊者，例如，僅僅通過觀照「走」為走這樣世俗的方法，能夠體驗究竟法嗎?

There are three kinds of 「I」. The first is the 「I」 mistaken for a person or ego in terms of wrong view (ditthi). The 「I」 taken as someone Important in a sense of pride (māna) is the second one. And the last one is the 「I」 we use in every day language in a conversational sense. When you note 「going」 as going, the 「I」 involved is the third kind, which was used even by the Buddha and Arahats, as it has nothing to do with ditthi and māna. So I instruct yogis to note in every day language every step they take as 「going.」

有三種意義上的「我」，第一種「我」是由于邪見而誤認為有個人或自我，第二種是因為我慢而認為「我」是比較重要的某個人，最後一種是日常用語的世俗意義上的「我」。

Although conventional language is used, a yogi is bound to experience phenomena in an ultimate sense beyond the concepts when his concentration gets strong enough. When going, for example, at some point, he or she is bound to experience the intention to take a step, the stiffness, tension or motion involved, and their constant changes. He or she will not find solid form or shape, but the phenomena arising and passing away on their own accord. In due course of time, he or she will see not only objects to observe, but also the concurrent noting mind itself arising and passing away immediately.

儘管所用的是世俗語言，但是當禪修者的定力變得足夠強的時候他一定會超越概念體證究竟法。例如，經行中的某個時刻他/她一定會體會到其中想抬腳的意願、繃、緊、移動以及它們的不斷變化。他/她會發現沒有堅固形體或形狀，只是自然而然生起和消失的現象。到時他/她不僅會看到觀照的目標，也會看到同時出現的觀照之心本身生起又即刻滅去。

If you don』t believe it, try it. I ensure you that if you follow my instruction, you will, indeed experience it for yourself .

如果你不信，就試試看。如果你按我的教導去做，我保證你確實會自己經歷到。