問55：尊者，您可以描述您認為體證了涅槃的人嗎？

Q55: Venerable Sir, can you describe someone who, you believe, experienced Nibbāna?

問55：尊者，您可以描述您認為體證了涅槃的人嗎？

Yes, I can. Among those who first practiced under my guidance, my cousin called U Phochon was impressive. When he reached the stage of bhanga-ñāna (the fifth level ofVipassanainsight), he started to find trees or people fluxing. He thought something was wrong with his view because he had learned from a teacher that things like a tree, log, post, stone, human body, etc., last for a due period, while physical phenomena caused by one』s kamma or mind passed away immediately after they arose. On the contrary, he saw, at that time, things flux. So he came and asked me what was wrong with his view. I encouraged him saying that nothing was wrong with his view but it was bhanga-ñāna (the fifth level ofVipassanainsight), which helped him to see things passing away immediately. After a few days, he clearly described his experience of Nibbāna, the cessation of mind and body.

是的，在這些人中，我的堂兄烏•珀充是第一個在我指導下修行的人，給我的印象深刻。當他達到壞滅隨觀智(第五觀智)時，他開始發現樹木或人都在流變，他想他的所見可能出了問題，因為他曾經從一個老師那里了解到，如樹木、圓木、電桿、石頭、人體等東西都會持續存在一定時期，而由業或心引生的現象生起即滅。相反，他那時看到一切東西都在流變。于是他來問我他的所見出了什麼問題。我鼓勵他說他的所見沒有任何問題，這是壞滅隨觀智(第五觀智)，此智讓他看到事物立即滅去。幾天之後，他清楚地描述體證涅槃—名色止息的經歷。